WHAT DO YOU THINK MARK WOULD THINK?

[bonnjohnson]

Would he acualy say he likes them, or there ok, or nothing

[JONHOI]

he should feel jealous. The songs are better than all of +44's songs :D

[Secret Crowds]

he should feel jealous. The songs are better than all of +44's songs :D

he should. but i doubt he does.

[boxcarracer]

all of ava's songs are better than plus 44's songs...but i still love mark though

[thesk8ingwombat]

i bet he'd think they're alright.
after he said the things about WDNTW (a lot of songs sounding alike and the music sounding kinda like it was forced out) i realized that i agreed with him, but these songs sound more like tom.

[SecretCrowds]

If anything was forced out, it was +44's songs. None of them appeal to me at all and all of them seemed like just a retaliation at Tom's band.

just my $.02

[Secret Crowds]

If anything was forced out, it was +44's songs. None of them appeal to me at all and all of them seemed like just a retaliation at Tom's band.

just my $.02

it is a retaliation SecretCrowds

ive posted this before in some other section but will show people that +44 is simply a responce to AVA

"If loves the word that you say then say it i will listen"
- Tom (Start the Machine)

"Theres no one listening"
- Mark (Chapter 13)


there you go

[boxcarracer]

^i think that mark's lyrics pertain to valkyrie missile more

"Everyone, Everyone Will Listen"


"There's No One Listening"

because if it did relate to STM lyrics it would be "you're not listening"...just what i got out of that

[Secret Crowds]

wow that does make more sense.

[recklessalexa]

lolol....conspiracys..

[boxcarracer]

lolol....conspiracys..

i made up a doozie a couple of hacks ago

[Secret Crowds]

lolol....conspiracys..

i made up a doozie a couple of hacks ago


haha a couple of hacks ago

[I-Guns]

I think Mark has so much hate built up inside him, that he couldn't say anything positive about Tom's projects.

[U.S.S.R. bla(k Jew 2]

hmmm....i dont know. i think their both trying to do their own thing.

and more then half of the die hard blink fans like plus 44 better cause they are more like blink. cuase most of the bllink fans can't open their mind to new music. + i just bought a tom mark and traivs show cd signed by the band. fuck yeah. sorry had to share.

[thesk8ingwombat]

wow, you guys are idiots. tom quit blink. mark and travis could easily have continued blink with another person. but they decided to make a new band.
mark and travis have never said anything negative about tom unless they were asked about their opinions. even now, when interviewers ask what happened to blink, they say "tom quit" not "toms a fucking retard so we made a new band to mock tom."

and ch.xiii is about no one listening to mark, not to tom.
"I'M scraped and sober, but there's no one listening."

[Secret Crowds]

have never said anything negative about tom unless they were asked about their opinion. ok. what else do u ask them?

besides. when they asked what happened to blink, Mark says Tom became a pussy who wouldnt talk to them anymore.
they dotn say "tom quit"

[thesk8ingwombat]

have never said anything negative about tom unless they were asked about their opinion. ok. what else do u ask them?

besides. when they asked what happened to blink, Mark says Tom became a pussy who wouldnt talk to them anymore.
they dotn say "tom quit"

thats was in the first interviews. and he said he wasn't a man he never name called him. and they fact that tom never denied such an atrocious thing obviously means he's guilty.

[Secret Crowds]

have never said anything negative about tom unless they were asked about their opinion. ok. what else do u ask them?

besides. when they asked what happened to blink, Mark says Tom became a pussy who wouldnt talk to them anymore.
they dotn say "tom quit"

thats was in the first interviews. and he said he wasn't a man he never name called him. and they fact that tom never denied such an atrocious thing obviously means he's guilty.

yes he did deny it. he said that when he told Mark that he wanted time with his family, Mark said he couldnt.

[thesk8ingwombat]

have never said anything negative about tom unless they were asked about their opinion. ok. what else do u ask them?

besides. when they asked what happened to blink, Mark says Tom became a pussy who wouldnt talk to them anymore.
they dotn say "tom quit"

thats was in the first interviews. and he said he wasn't a man he never name called him. and they fact that tom never denied such an atrocious thing obviously means he's guilty.

yes he did deny it. he said that when he told Mark that he wanted time with his family, Mark said he couldnt.

lol, what are you talking about? mark and travis gave him 6 months! thats half a year to do absolutley nothing. if 6 months wasn't enough, it seems like wanting to be with your family was never the problem in the first place.

[Secret Crowds]

have never said anything negative about tom unless they were asked about their opinion. ok. what else do u ask them?

besides. when they asked what happened to blink, Mark says Tom became a pussy who wouldnt talk to them anymore.
they dotn say "tom quit"

thats was in the first interviews. and he said he wasn't a man he never name called him. and they fact that tom never denied such an atrocious thing obviously means he's guilty.

yes he did deny it. he said that when he told Mark that he wanted time with his family, Mark said he couldnt.

lol, what are you talking about? mark and travis gave him 6 months! thats half a year to do absolutley nothing. if 6 months wasn't enough, it seems like wanting to be with your family was never the problem in the first place.

aparently after 6 months Tom realized taht blink wasnt what he wanted to do. he probably wanted to set an example for his kids, cause a kid shouldnt see her dad running through LA or whereever they were naked.

besides dude. thats what Tom said about wanting time off. so dont get mad at me. if u felt something u were doing was wrong, you wouldnt do it anymore. look i like +44 but its clearly a responce to AVA

[Awavee]

Remember Marks opinion about WDNTW?


b182.com Question: There is no hiding the disappointment of a lot of blink fans in relation to ‘We Don’t Need To Whisper’. What is your opinion of Tom’s new band? Did the bad media coverage of AVA alter your approach in promoting +44?

Marks answer: Look, I have always liked Tom’s music. I wrote music with him for 13 years, and have always respected and admired his ability to craft some great songs. I like to think that we all pushed and inspired each other to create better and better songs, and I have been so proud of the music that blink-182 released, especially on the last record. However, his new album didn’t strike me at all. The verses in the first single were cool, but everything just fell apart after that. The rest of the songs on the album seemed long and repetitious. I kept thinking “wait, did I already hear this song?” On all the tracks, I was waiting for something to kick in, for the song to reach that point that pushes it over the top, and for me it never came. It seemed like there were some good ideas in there wanting to come out, but it never got to where it needed to go. For me, I have always loved the honest simplicity and beauty in Tom’s music and lyrics. This new album seemed forced and self-important. Like he was stomping his feet and insisting “I AM AN ARTIST NOW!!!” Like he is more interested in TALKING about making good music rather than just MAKING good music. Musically, I think Tom was stronger in the past. That’s my honest opinion of the album.

[saritab11c]

+44 does not resemble blink because all songs are sad and I don't know...when i'm in a bad mood i listen to +44 songs..and they make me feel even worse because it feels like they've put this songs in like a week.
but when I hear AvA songs...well I feel the emotions and energy.new album or atleast new songs feel the same:)yes they do sound more blinkish but thats AvA's choise,but they are alot different....unlike +44 who made songs on same pattern as blink did back in the day.
my oppinion is that mark will refuse to like I-Empire because he can't make a great album without Tom:)and that is what Tom did with I-empire (4 new songss which are great!!!! :P :D :D :lol: )
SORRY IF ITS TO LONG.

[Secret Crowds]

+44 does not resemble blink because all songs are sad and I don't know...when i'm in a bad mood i listen to +44 songs..and they make me feel even worse because it feels like they've put this songs in like a week.
but when I hear AvA songs...well I feel the emotions and energy.new album or atleast new songs feel the same:)yes they do sound more blinkish but thats AvA's choise,but they are alot different....unlike +44 who made songs on same pattern as blink did back in the day.
my oppinion is that mark will refuse to like I-Empire because he can't make a great album without Tom:)and that is what Tom did with I-empire (4 new songss which are great!!!! :P :D :D :lol: )
SORRY IF ITS TO LONG.

yeah. Mark can make a good record without Tom but Tom takes it to a new level of awesome. :D

[U.S.S.R. bla(k Jew 2]

i belive tom wanted to see if he could make it on his own. he wanted to see if he could still be a huge star without mark and travis. his prioities changed. i think it's big of tom to quit. cause he left the thing guaranteeing him sucess and went out on a edge to do what he believed i thinkt that takes alot of balls. i dont think he was trying to hurt anyone or anything. and i think mark and travis know that. i think that to them it's not as big as people make it out to be. it was at first but they were both kind of retalitating at each other. but now i think it has died down.

[smiles4blink]

^WOW. That was a lot of reading, you guys had these ginormous paragraph responses to each other! Gosh.


SO,
Blink broke up, we don't know what happened so don't pretend you do, lol :)

Both +44 and AvA have songs/lyrics referring to each other or the breakup of Blink, obviously they would.

NOW,

I think that Mark will like these songs more than he liked WDNTW, I think he'll respect Tom a lot more for making these songs, and I think he'll enjoy listening to some of them (if not these 4, others on I-Empire) even if he doesn't fully admit that to the public.

[TheAdventure]

Mark is a darn fine song writer. I just never got into +44 because the lyrics that I heard were very negative and it sounded a lot like blink. They way Mark described +44 back in their early recording process sounded really cool (more electronica stuff involved). I was really excited to hear their stuff until No It Isn't was released. Not a fan of the song (I understand that's how Mark felt at the time and he was very upset, I just don't want focus on the negative). I've only heard the full CD one time.

[Misfit]

lol, what are you talking about? mark and travis gave him 6 months! thats half a year to do absolutley nothing. if 6 months wasn't enough, it seems like wanting to be with your family was never the problem in the first place.

I'm sorry, but you're the fucking idiot here. Mark scheduled blink to play the tsunami relief concert DURING Tom's six month break. He was going to have another guitarist take Tom's place, but Tom knew that was ridiculous, so he said he'd play.

Think about it. blink's final concert was December 16, 2004. Their break up was announced on February 22, 2005. I've always thought December to February is two months, not six.

[thesk8ingwombat]

lol, what are you talking about? mark and travis gave him 6 months! thats half a year to do absolutley nothing. if 6 months wasn't enough, it seems like wanting to be with your family was never the problem in the first place.

I'm sorry, but you're the fucking idiot here. Mark scheduled blink to play the tsunami relief concert DURING Tom's six month break. He was going to have another guitarist take Tom's place, but Tom knew that was ridiculous, so he said he'd play.

Think about it. blink's final concert was December 16, 2004. Their break up was announced on February 22, 2005. I've always thought December to February is two months, not six.

i'm pretty sure devil and i discussed this already but oh well.

first, mark never scheduled anything, he called their manager to do it for them. when he called their manager and told them they were willing to get a replacement guitarist for tom, but their manager had said that tom had wanted to do some shows too.
i also noted that it was not like mark and travis booked an entire tour to go get rich. they had asked their manager to book them some shows to help out the families in thailand.

[Misfit]

lol, what are you talking about? mark and travis gave him 6 months! thats half a year to do absolutley nothing. if 6 months wasn't enough, it seems like wanting to be with your family was never the problem in the first place.

I'm sorry, but you're the fucking idiot here. Mark scheduled blink to play the tsunami relief concert DURING Tom's six month break. He was going to have another guitarist take Tom's place, but Tom knew that was ridiculous, so he said he'd play.

Think about it. blink's final concert was December 16, 2004. Their break up was announced on February 22, 2005. I've always thought December to February is two months, not six.

i'm pretty sure devil and i discussed this already but oh well.

first, mark never scheduled anything, he called their manager to do it for them. when he called their manager and told them they were willing to get a replacement guitarist for tom, but their manager had said that tom had wanted to do some shows too.
i also noted that it was not like mark and travis booked an entire tour to go get rich. they had asked their manager to book them some shows to help out the families in thailand.

Mark called their manager. I know Mark didn't book the show himself, that wasn't his job. It was his idea, and he wanted to play so bad that he'd leave out Tom. There's no such thing as blink-182 without Tom DeLonge. Tom didn't want to do some shows. Tom wanted the six month break he was given. Tom just didn't want Mark to fuck with blink while he wasn't around.

The fact is you still mentioned that Tom had his six months. He never did. All Mark and +44 fans think Mark is so heroic because in every interview, he says he gave Tom six months. Yes, the six months was given to Tom, but they weren't actually used.

[...Chris...]

I think Mark has so much hate built up inside him, that he couldn't say anything positive about Tom's projects.

-Is "No it isn't" about tom delonge?
-No it isn't

[thesk8ingwombat]

lol, what are you talking about? mark and travis gave him 6 months! thats half a year to do absolutley nothing. if 6 months wasn't enough, it seems like wanting to be with your family was never the problem in the first place.

I'm sorry, but you're the fucking idiot here. Mark scheduled blink to play the tsunami relief concert DURING Tom's six month break. He was going to have another guitarist take Tom's place, but Tom knew that was ridiculous, so he said he'd play.

Think about it. blink's final concert was December 16, 2004. Their break up was announced on February 22, 2005. I've always thought December to February is two months, not six.

i'm pretty sure devil and i discussed this already but oh well.

first, mark never scheduled anything, he called their manager to do it for them. when he called their manager and told them they were willing to get a replacement guitarist for tom, but their manager had said that tom had wanted to do some shows too.
i also noted that it was not like mark and travis booked an entire tour to go get rich. they had asked their manager to book them some shows to help out the families in thailand.

Mark called their manager. I know Mark didn't book the show himself, that wasn't his job. It was his idea, and he wanted to play so bad that he'd leave out Tom. There's no such thing as blink-182 without Tom DeLonge. Tom didn't want to do some shows. Tom wanted the six month break he was given. Tom just didn't want Mark to fuck with blink while he wasn't around.

The fact is you still mentioned that Tom had his six months. He never did. All Mark and +44 fans think Mark is so heroic because in every interview, he says he gave Tom six months. Yes, the six months was given to Tom, but they weren't actually used.


i'm sure tom wanted to do the shows, which would you do? stay at home with your family, or play guitar and sing and raise thousands of dollars for families in need. and that really isn't the point anyway, he was given a choice, and he chose the right one, to help. they had a single show booked. do you really think that mark and travis would book a tour on toms time off?

and tom quit before the 6 months even ended, so in reality he but blink in a hiatus for two months, and then left anyway.

[Misfit]

I'm sure Tom would want to play the shows... If it wasn't during his break. I don't see how you don't get that Mark asked to play during Tom's break.

I don't ever remember saying anything about a tour without Tom. All I mentioned was the tsunami relief show. I know Mark didn't plan on touring with Tom.

Yes, Tom quit during his break, because of Mark's actions. He realized that a true friend wouldn't give him a break, but then still have a show booked during it.

Angels & Airwaves is the ultimate band for Tom. He has complete control on how often they play, and what time is spent with his family. I remember when I saw AvA in Milwaukee: After the show Tom flew back to California to catch one of Ava's dance recitals. I don't think he ever would have been able to do that while in blink.

Where I'm ending this is I agree 100% with Tom. He wasn't the bad guy here.

[Jay]

Where I'm ending this is I agree 100% with Tom. He wasn't the bad guy here.

I think in the end nobody was the bad guy. After Tom took his break, Mark and Travis were concerned and I think they wanted to make things right, but Tom didn't want anything to do with blink at the time. So I think that when Mark and Travis realized they had screwed up, it was too late.

[recklessalexa]

no one knows what REALLY happened.

i still love mark. i still love tom.


dont make judgements. we dont know the truth

[Misfit]

All I know is I'm sick of people saying Tom had six months and it wasn't enough, when there's no way it's possible for December to February to be six months.

[recklessalexa]

All I know is I'm sick of people saying Tom had six months and it wasn't enough, when there's no way it's possible for December to February to be six months.

LOLOL.

thats just funny

[thesk8ingwombat]

I'm sure Tom would want to play the shows... If it wasn't during his break. I don't see how you don't get that Mark asked to play during Tom's break.

I don't ever remember saying anything about a tour without Tom. All I mentioned was the tsunami relief show. I know Mark didn't plan on touring with Tom.

Yes, Tom quit during his break, because of Mark's actions. He realized that a true friend wouldn't give him a break, but then still have a show booked during it.

Angels & Airwaves is the ultimate band for Tom. He has complete control on how often they play, and what time is spent with his family. I remember when I saw AvA in Milwaukee: After the show Tom flew back to California to catch one of Ava's dance recitals. I don't think he ever would have been able to do that while in blink.

Where I'm ending this is I agree 100% with Tom. He wasn't the bad guy here.

i understand that it was during his break, but just b/c tom was going to sit at home, didn't mean that mark and travis would. it was toms break off, mark and travis could've done anything, they could started a new band or side project.

what i don't see is how you don't see that mark had offered to play an acoustic set by himself or find a fill in with travis. he wasn't even asking travis to play the show, so why would he even be thinking about tom?

and i know he only ended up getting two months off. but thats how long they were going to get anyway in between the last european tour and the spring tour that tom canceled. 60 days seems to be enough "off time" to play one night.

[Misfit]

what i don't see is how you don't see that mark had offered to play an acoustic set by himself

Maybe I didn't see that because this is the first time you mentioned it.

[thesk8ingwombat]

what i don't see is how you don't see that mark had offered to play an acoustic set by himself

Maybe I didn't see that because this is the first time you mentioned it.

did you ever read the b182 interview?


I knew we were in Tom’s “time off” period, so I said I would do an acoustic set, or Travis and I could try and find a replacement guitarist for one show.

[Misfit]

what i don't see is how you don't see that mark had offered to play an acoustic set by himself

Maybe I didn't see that because this is the first time you mentioned it.

did you ever read the b182 interview?


I knew we were in Tom’s “time off” period, so I said I would do an acoustic set, or Travis and I could try and find a replacement guitarist for one show.

Either way, his acoustic set doesn't matter. They went with the actual show. Just because he offered to do it doesn't mean anything. He offered Tom six months. That didn't happen.

[thesk8ingwombat]

what i don't see is how you don't see that mark had offered to play an acoustic set by himself

Maybe I didn't see that because this is the first time you mentioned it.

did you ever read the b182 interview?


I knew we were in Tom’s “time off” period, so I said I would do an acoustic set, or Travis and I could try and find a replacement guitarist for one show.

Either way, his acoustic set doesn't matter. They went with the actual show. Just because he offered to do it doesn't mean anything. He offered Tom six months. That didn't happen.

well of course mark went with the show, he was offering to do it by himself. but tom and travis chose to do it too. and he didn't offer tom the 6 months, it wasn't his idea for tom to go on a break. he gave tom the 6 months, tom just didn't stay in blink long enough to take all of it.


This announcement was made on 9/15/05

For the past 6 month, Tom DeLonge has been in the studio preparing the greatest rock-n-roll revolution for this generation.

6 month. that means Tom was already in the studio in March, which was only one month after he left blink. so he really only took 3 months off, half of what mark and travis gave him (minus one day).
and if he was in the studio already, i'm guessing some songs had already been written out and ready to record. so for all we know, he might not have even been with his family for those 2 months that he was on his "off time" for.

[Jay]

what i don't see is how you don't see that mark had offered to play an acoustic set by himself

Maybe I didn't see that because this is the first time you mentioned it.

did you ever read the b182 interview?


I knew we were in Tom’s “time off” period, so I said I would do an acoustic set, or Travis and I could try and find a replacement guitarist for one show.

Either way, his acoustic set doesn't matter. They went with the actual show. Just because he offered to do it doesn't mean anything. He offered Tom six months. That didn't happen.

well of course mark went with the show, he was offering to do it by himself. but tom and travis chose to do it too. and he didn't offer tom the 6 months, it wasn't his idea for tom to go on a break. he gave tom the 6 months, tom just didn't stay in blink long enough to take all of it.


This announcement was made on 9/15/05

For the past 6 month, Tom DeLonge has been in the studio preparing the greatest rock-n-roll revolution for this generation.

6 month. that means Tom was already in the studio in March, which was only one month after he left blink. so he really only took 3 months off, half of what mark and travis gave him (minus one day).
and if he was in the studio already, i'm guessing some songs had already been written out and ready to record. so for all we know, he might not have even been with his family for those 2 months that he was on his "off time" for.

or, he had written them for the next blink record, probably just like Mark and Travis. You know they didn't write and record 12 songs that fast.

[thesk8ingwombat]

what i don't see is how you don't see that mark had offered to play an acoustic set by himself

Maybe I didn't see that because this is the first time you mentioned it.

did you ever read the b182 interview?


I knew we were in Tom’s “time off” period, so I said I would do an acoustic set, or Travis and I could try and find a replacement guitarist for one show.

Either way, his acoustic set doesn't matter. They went with the actual show. Just because he offered to do it doesn't mean anything. He offered Tom six months. That didn't happen.

well of course mark went with the show, he was offering to do it by himself. but tom and travis chose to do it too. and he didn't offer tom the 6 months, it wasn't his idea for tom to go on a break. he gave tom the 6 months, tom just didn't stay in blink long enough to take all of it.


This announcement was made on 9/15/05

For the past 6 month, Tom DeLonge has been in the studio preparing the greatest rock-n-roll revolution for this generation.

6 month. that means Tom was already in the studio in March, which was only one month after he left blink. so he really only took 3 months off, half of what mark and travis gave him (minus one day).
and if he was in the studio already, i'm guessing some songs had already been written out and ready to record. so for all we know, he might not have even been with his family for those 2 months that he was on his "off time" for.

or, he had written them for the next blink record, probably just like Mark and Travis. You know they didn't write and record 12 songs that fast.

but you have to remember that mark and travis were already discussing +44 when they were in the UK on blink's last european tour. thats why they wanted to use UK's calling code. when they were told that the spring tour was cancelled, they said they weren't willing to sit on their hands and that their manager and tom understood.
so yes, i'm sure mark and travis were writing during tom's off time. remember, tom wanted the off time, not them.

[Misfit]

what i don't see is how you don't see that mark had offered to play an acoustic set by himself

Maybe I didn't see that because this is the first time you mentioned it.

did you ever read the b182 interview?


I knew we were in Tom’s “time off” period, so I said I would do an acoustic set, or Travis and I could try and find a replacement guitarist for one show.

Either way, his acoustic set doesn't matter. They went with the actual show. Just because he offered to do it doesn't mean anything. He offered Tom six months. That didn't happen.

well of course mark went with the show, he was offering to do it by himself. but tom and travis chose to do it too. and he didn't offer tom the 6 months, it wasn't his idea for tom to go on a break. he gave tom the 6 months, tom just didn't stay in blink long enough to take all of it.


This announcement was made on 9/15/05

For the past 6 month, Tom DeLonge has been in the studio preparing the greatest rock-n-roll revolution for this generation.

6 month. that means Tom was already in the studio in March, which was only one month after he left blink. so he really only took 3 months off, half of what mark and travis gave him (minus one day).
and if he was in the studio already, i'm guessing some songs had already been written out and ready to record. so for all we know, he might not have even been with his family for those 2 months that he was on his "off time" for.

Do you not realize that Tom wrote a lot of We Don't Need To Whisper at his own house? He could still be with his family that way. And plus, even if he spent some time in the studio, it wasn't far from his house. The Macbeth studio is in Carlsbad, CA, and Tom is in San Diego. That's a lot closer to his family than he would have been if he was touring. He could go back and forth from home to the studio. It's ridiculous to think that he spent 6 months in nothing but the studio.

[devil]

or, he had written them for the next blink record, probably just like Mark and Travis. You know they didn't write and record 12 songs that fast.

Um..have you heard the Plus 44 album? my guess is that they did.

[thesk8ingwombat]

what i don't see is how you don't see that mark had offered to play an acoustic set by himself

Maybe I didn't see that because this is the first time you mentioned it.

did you ever read the b182 interview?


I knew we were in Tom’s “time off” period, so I said I would do an acoustic set, or Travis and I could try and find a replacement guitarist for one show.

Either way, his acoustic set doesn't matter. They went with the actual show. Just because he offered to do it doesn't mean anything. He offered Tom six months. That didn't happen.

well of course mark went with the show, he was offering to do it by himself. but tom and travis chose to do it too. and he didn't offer tom the 6 months, it wasn't his idea for tom to go on a break. he gave tom the 6 months, tom just didn't stay in blink long enough to take all of it.


This announcement was made on 9/15/05

For the past 6 month, Tom DeLonge has been in the studio preparing the greatest rock-n-roll revolution for this generation.

6 month. that means Tom was already in the studio in March, which was only one month after he left blink. so he really only took 3 months off, half of what mark and travis gave him (minus one day).
and if he was in the studio already, i'm guessing some songs had already been written out and ready to record. so for all we know, he might not have even been with his family for those 2 months that he was on his "off time" for.

Do you not realize that Tom wrote a lot of We Don't Need To Whisper at his own house? He could still be with his family that way. And plus, even if he spent some time in the studio, it wasn't far from his house. The Macbeth studio is in Carlsbad, CA, and Tom is in San Diego. That's a lot closer to his family than he would have been if he was touring. He could go back and forth from home to the studio. It's ridiculous to think that he spent 6 months in nothing but the studio.

of course i realize that, i wrote a blog in it on one of my myspace accounts. but the point is, someone who is "burned out" and needs family time, doesn't start writing songs and recording them a month after their old band split up. remember, tom said that after he left blink, he went through months of depression not knowing what to do next. those "months of depression" seems like one month of writing for his next solo project.

the bottom line is, if you look at all of the things tom has said and done, his facts just don't add up.

[Misfit]

Tom is also known to exaggerate. When he says "the past six months" in the studio, it was probably about four. Look at it that way. Three months after blink, and four months of working on the album. I'd say that adds up pretty good.

Note that I'm not saying for a fact it was four months. I'm only estimating, because it sounds reasonable.

[thesk8ingwombat]

Tom is also known to exaggerate. When he says "the past six months" in the studio, it was probably about four. Look at it that way. Three months after blink, and four months of working on the album. I'd say that adds up pretty good.

Note that I'm not saying for a fact it was four months. I'm only estimating, because it sounds reasonable.

due to tom's exaggeration, that would've fit. but tom didn't announce that, geffen records did.

[devil]

also, the fact is, tom is a musician. he is someone who expresses himself through his music. he may not have sought out to create this project and probably just wanted some time off and the stress of having to make the decision to leave blink must have been a lot to deal with and his way of dealing with things is through music.

[thesk8ingwombat]

if your guys views' haven't been changed by this i'm guessing they never will. like religion, if your told this is the way something happened, for a long time, the person who told you that could even say they were lieing, but the person would still believe it.

[Misfit]

if your guys views' haven't been changed by this i'm guessing they never will. like religion, if your told this is the way something happened, for a long time, the person who told you that could even say they were lieing, but the person would still believe it.

You could say that... Or else you could say that everything you said I had an explanation for. That'd be more fitting.

[thesk8ingwombat]

if your guys views' haven't been changed by this i'm guessing they never will. like religion, if your told this is the way something happened, for a long time, the person who told you that could even say they were lieing, but the person would still believe it.

You could say that... Or else you could say that everything you said I had an explanation for. That'd be more fitting.

all i've seen you do is change the my statements to get into a different topic.
as hard as it is to say it, the people from punkdisasters are right. toms angels tends to attract a younger and a more closed minded type of audience. over there people question things and are willing to change their minds, like i did.
i used to believe more of toms side of the story until i read into the interviews more.

[JONHOI]

no one really knows the truth, so please stop acting like you do... I'm really,really glad Tom left Blink and created AvA! Tom's music is better without Mark and his new style with ava is more Tom than his old punk-style. He's a father now and if my father was standing in front of thousands of people telling dick-jokes I would be really embarresed! Poor Mark is trying to recreate Blink, but he's nothing without Tom, and his voice is so fucking boring!

Excuse me for my spelling

[VL]

I always got the impression that Angels and Airwaves is just what gave Tom chance to be with his family. I mean, its his band in theory so he makes his decision and can do it at a tempo he choses, being a new band and hype besides fairly unknown he doesn't have to put up with most stuff he had to do with Blink.
Also that shoud give him way more time to concentrate on music, cause regardless what anyone says, Blink 182 got to a point every band who gets world aknowlegment gets, where it wasn't all about the music anymore, with AvA Tom got a fresh start without every music magazine having an eye on you and without all the TV hassle.

[Haywire Robot]

I'm glad blink ended on probably one of my favorite records of all time.

None of us fucking know everything.

[TheAdventure]

I see what thesk8ingwombat is saying- that all the facts from Tom don't add up. That's probably because we don't know everything that went down and we probably never will. It's no use to argue about it. It's over. We can't change anything, arguing will never bring blink back. Tom did what he did and we just live with it.

[Misfit]

if your guys views' haven't been changed by this i'm guessing they never will. like religion, if your told this is the way something happened, for a long time, the person who told you that could even say they were lieing, but the person would still believe it.

You could say that... Or else you could say that everything you said I had an explanation for. That'd be more fitting.

all i've seen you do is change the my statements to get into a different topic.
as hard as it is to say it, the people from punkdisasters are right. toms angels tends to attract a younger and a more closed minded type of audience. over there people question things and are willing to change their minds, like i did.
i used to believe more of toms side of the story until i read into the interviews more.

And how old are you now?

[bonnjohnson]

tom wanted time with his family and he got it becase he recorded the albun at neverpants rance (his house)

[devil]

all i've seen you do is change the my statements to get into a different topic.
as hard as it is to say it, the people from punkdisasters are right. toms angels tends to attract a younger and a more closed minded type of audience. over there people question things and are willing to change their minds, like i did.
i used to believe more of toms side of the story until i read into the interviews more.

close minded equals = i don't care that someone left a band if they weren't comfortable being in it any more and didn't like the environment.

open minded = i'm so pissed... he needs to be in the band cuz i like their music...what a prick, fuck what he wants. its all about me, me, me!!! zOMG blink is the best band ev3r!


he left the band because he (for whatever reason) didn't want to be in the band any more. maybe he hurt travis' and mark's feelings by the way he left. does it really affect a single thing or the outcome as far as any of us are concerned in ANY God damned way?

saying that people here are closed minded because they don't agree with you is pretty stupid, i have to say. i personally think you're wrong and i think the whole argument is pointless. i honestly don't give a shit why he left blink, how he left blink, or who cried for longer when he left blink. at the end of the day, he's in a new band now. wouldn't the "mature" thing to do be to move on and get over it?

[WindDragoonX]

I've got a new theroy for the split. Let's say Mark and Tom had a bet to see who could make the best album and sell more. And they agreed to start it at the same time. So Tom took his "family time" and used that to get a head start on his stellar album. Mark finding this out got all pissed. And tried saying Tom's album was trash so people wouldn't buy it. And in about five to ten years Mark and Tom will come back together to make a super sweet blink album implementing all elements they used for their new bands albums. Oh and and when Mark and Tom get back together AVA and +44 will need new leads so instead of finding new leads they combine the two bands together to make Angels 44 or 44 Angels.

Stupid I know but it's a possibility.

[Misfit]

I've got a new theroy for the split. Let's say Mark and Tom had a bet to see who could make the best album and sell more. And they agreed to start it at the same time. So Tom took his "family time" and used that to get a head start on his stellar album. Mark finding this out got all pissed. And tried saying Tom's album was trash so people wouldn't buy it. And in about five to ten years Mark and Tom will come back together to make a super sweet blink album implementing all elements they used for their new bands albums. Oh and and when Mark and Tom get back together AVA and +44 will need new leads so instead of finding new leads they combine the two bands together to make Angels 44 or 44 Angels.

Stupid I know but it's a possibility.

Not possible at all.

[...Chris...]

I think mark would be in his bathroom taking a massive shit, while Skye comes in and says. "Mark hunny. did you see Tom's new band made a new cd" and he'll go "Oh shizzle gizzle gar"...to be continued.

[WindDragoonX]

I've got a new theroy for the split. Let's say Mark and Tom had a bet to see who could make the best album and sell more. And they agreed to start it at the same time. So Tom took his "family time" and used that to get a head start on his stellar album. Mark finding this out got all pissed. And tried saying Tom's album was trash so people wouldn't buy it. And in about five to ten years Mark and Tom will come back together to make a super sweet blink album implementing all elements they used for their new bands albums. Oh and and when Mark and Tom get back together AVA and +44 will need new leads so instead of finding new leads they combine the two bands together to make Angels 44 or 44 Angels.

Stupid I know but it's a possibility.

Not possible at all.

How come? In the crazy ass world we live in today anything is possible.

[...Chris...]

^ i know of a way tom mark travis matt david craig atom shawn can all make A LOT of money. is if +44 Angels And Airwaves and blink-182 played a tour together. They would make A LOT of money. they could sell tickets 100 bucks (being the cheapest ticket) people would buy it. but people would buy the more expensive tickets like GA. if you think about it, that show could make like close to million bucks

[WindDragoonX]

^Lol or more. My second favorite band Reggie and the Full effect does something like that. They have their main band and then two joke bands and then they put three different bands on the bill and if people don't know anything about them they don't realize their buying tickets for the same band. But their showes are so badass you don't care anyways.

[Grey]

How come? In the crazy ass world we live in today anything is possible.

Because Mark seemed to hurt by blinks break up to have agreed to something like that.

[WindDragoonX]

How come? In the crazy ass world we live in today anything is possible.

Because Mark seemed to hurt by blinks break up to have agreed to something like that.

I hope you all know I'm joking about the whole bet thing. It was just a funny idea that popped into my head so I could try and lighten the mood up a bit. Everyone is still aruging about a three year old argument it's just a little ridiculous.

[boxcarracer]

it's only a two year, and 6 month argument. Get your facts straight jeez!!! :lol:

[WindDragoonX]

it's only a two year, and 6 month argument. Get your facts straight jeez!!! :lol:

Lol. My bad.

[ZULU]

I think he really doesn't like the music. Not his type Idon't think/

[Grey]

I think if Tom didn't make the music than Mark may like it. But since Tom made it, he will always have a negative feeling towards any AVA music knowing that it came from Tom ending blink. Its obvious that Mark was the most hurt out of everyone when the break up happend so I think he will never be able to really appreciate AVAs music like a fan would. Hopefully someday that will change. Tom said he liked what he heard of +44 so hopefully Mark and Travis will someday enjoy AVA. That may be a long ways away though.

[Haywire Robot]

Tom said he liked what he heard of +44 so hopefully Mark and Travis will someday enjoy AVA. That may be a long ways away though.

I highly doubt that would ever happen.

[BoxcarKid18244]

I think Mark will give his honest opinion of the album. He might bring something up about Everything's Magic being really similar to Anthem Part 2, but I'm sure he'd like I-Empire a lot better than We Don't Need To Whisper.

[smiles4blink]

^I don't know if he'll bring anything up about Everything's Magic and Anthem Part 2 to the media...hopefully not at least...


I think if Tom didn't make the music than Mark may like it. But since Tom made it, he will always have a negative feeling towards any AVA music knowing that it came from Tom ending blink. Its obvious that Mark was the most hurt out of everyone when the break up happend so I think he will never be able to really appreciate AVAs music like a fan would. Hopefully someday that will change. Tom said he liked what he heard of +44 so hopefully Mark and Travis will someday enjoy AVA. That may be a long ways away though.
I agree with that. And I too hope that Mark and Travis will like AvA one day...hopefully even by I-Emipre..

[...Chris...]

marks just sensitive dammit (no pun intended)

[AsfAstAswegofar]

I've got a new theroy for the split. Let's say Mark and Tom had a bet to see who could make the best album and sell more. And they agreed to start it at the same time. So Tom took his "family time" and used that to get a head start on his stellar album. Mark finding this out got all pissed. And tried saying Tom's album was trash so people wouldn't buy it. And in about five to ten years Mark and Tom will come back together to make a super sweet blink album implementing all elements they used for their new bands albums. Oh and and when Mark and Tom get back together AVA and +44 will need new leads so instead of finding new leads they combine the two bands together to make Angels 44 or 44 Angels.

Stupid I know but it's a possibility.

dude thats no theory. thats what the latest issue of alt press said. the bands actually gonna be called Blink Plus Angels
they're first songs ( No, it is the adventure) lyrics start out:

Lets slit our wrists and wake up and im alive

[...Chris...]

blink is not coming back for a while. end of story.